Vendetta high performance AATV tires by Mudd-Ox

[amphibious drew]

Those are going to provide some serious flotation!

[tbone9]

I bet those would work great on my fishing max. Got 440 hours on it and half of that is treading water. I cross some lakes to get to others so more speed would help.

[kghills]

Here is a picture of 14" wide Vendettas compared to other popular mud tires on Hustler 980 Bigfoots. Imagine what the larger 16" wides will look like. I think they will need 2" spacers for sure.

I will try to post some pictures on my Max and/or Hustler as soon as I have a full set.

Keith.

[mightymaxIV]

Here is a picture of 14" wide Vendettas compared to other popular mud tires on Hustler 980 Bigfoots. Imagine what the larger 16" wides will look like. I think they will need 2" spacers for sure.

I will try to post some pictures on my Max and/or Hustler as soon as I have a full set.

Keith.

Just curious keith, did you get a chance to test the Vandettas against the other Hustlers? I would have to believe that each tire would have certain advantages in certain areas. I am curious how the Vandettas perform in mud against an ASX or the Kendas.

I have already seen that most of the time the ASX is King but under certain circumstances Lee's Argo with Mud Bugs could beat out the ASX, that being pure mud with no water where the Mud Bug Tires cleaned out better. I also took note that the Kendas were better under certain circumstances.

I am believing that a 16 inch Vendetta would be king in bad soft mud with some water on top because the water would keep the tires clean and as long as you had your hand on the throttle I believe the machine would move forward.

Life just got a little more interesting with the Vendetta. If I could get some real life comparisons I just might spring for a set of those 16 inch vendettas.

[jpswift1]

Just curious keith, did you get a chance to test the Vandettas against the other Hustlers? I would have to believe that each tire would have certain advantages in certain areas. I am curious how the Vandettas perform in mud against an ASX or the Kendas.

I have already seen that most of the time the ASX is King but under certain circumstances Lee's Argo with Mud Bugs could beat out the ASX, that being pure mud with no water where the Mud Bug Tires cleaned out better. I also took note that the Kendas were better under certain circumstances.

I am believing that a 16 inch Vendetta would be king in bad soft mud with some water on top because the water would keep the tires clean and as long as you had your hand on the throttle I believe the machine would move forward.

Life just got a little more interesting with the Vendetta. If I could get some real life comparisons I just might spring for a set of those 16 inch vendettas.

Dan, I was at Ashtabula and I can give you a first hand report on them. The Vampire ASX and other deep lug mud tires are superior to the Vendettas in sticky mud, but the Vendettas have a faster speed in the water. I'm curious as to how different the Vendettas are compared to Argo tires. Same tread depth, but a little bit wider I'm going to guess. Probably the same water speed and performance in the sticky mud.

[Noel Woods]

My thinking is the Vendettas are fine all-around tires, what I haven't seen is the tires in really rugged testing conditions. I know what the Vampire ASXs will do as do other forum members. Its never a direct comparison one product to another.

I think the bigger Vendettas will offer some real advantages when they hit the market, and I am positive that they will provide an improvement in the ride quality.

[kghills]

Dan, I was at Ashtabula and I can give you a first hand report on them. The Vampire ASX and other deep lug mud tires are superior to the Vendettas in sticky mud, but the Vendettas have a faster speed in the water. I'm curious as to how different the Vendettas are compared to Argo tires. Same tread depth, but a little bit wider I'm going to guess. Probably the same water speed and performance in the sticky mud.

Blah, blah , blah. Here is the video from Ashtabula again.

Where exactly was a deep lug tire designed for a quad better? At breaking parts? At ripping itself off the bead? I found sticky mud was actually good traction, just had to get the tires to move slow enough so the mud stuck to the tires would stick to the mud you were driving though. Sort of like tape on tape or like laying down rubber at the strip to launch your car on. 6x6 World is dedicated to promoting the Amphibious ATV hobby in a positive and family friendly way. Vendettas swim FAST. It was designed for an AATV. I could not get the other Hustlers to go in the water. Don's son Q is actually afraid to take there Hustler with ASXs in the water. It was my observation that the deep lug tires only worked well if used with excessive tire speed while the Vendettas could walk around in the mud at a leisurly family friendly pace. My Hustler has a stock drive right down to the flat head Briggs, even original wheel bearings. All weekend pretty much non stop and no broken parts. Did I fly around the trails at warp speed throwing mud and dust all over, no. But I went everywhere I wanted at a modest pace like the machine was geared and designed for and the ride is pretty darn good considering the tires are the suspension. The video shows the Vendetta sidewall at work. I have yet to see a compareable video of an ASX or Mud Bug. I also spent a lot of time in the Lake/pond. For me exploring it was as much fun as trail riding.

How durable? Here is a video from Haspin.

Sort of long, but lots of footage of Vendettas on Max IVs and Mudd-OXs. Matt was there enjoying the ride and testing stuff. Only time will tell how the Vendettas will fare in the long run but I do know that Matt has already tightened up the bead diameter specifications and has the ability to change any aspect of the tire he finds unacceptable. I didn't see any of the manufacturers of the Chinese deep lug tires anywhere.

Remember, the Vendetta is made by Hoosier, a manufacturer of high performance tires, right here in the USA for Mudd-Ox. They were designed specifically for an AATV. They will be standard equipment on all Max and Mudd-Ox vehicles in the near future. There will always be an instance where a perticular tire will work better than another but from what I am seeing the Vendettas work really well in most environments. I'll stick my neck out here and say this for you Dan, track guys can think of it like this. An aggressive Escargo track might be better than an UHMW style Adair track on frozen tundra, or a wide rubber belted track might be better in deep powder snow, but the Adair tracks seem to handle most AATV terrain very well and swim. That's how I see the Vendetta tires personally. Working best for an AATV in the greatest number of conditions and they swim fast.

Think of this Dan. Tim already has Adair pro series tracks on Vendettas. You could easily show up for a ride with your machine all tracked up and decide you did not need tracks that weekend, pop the hinge pins and run the trails with just your Vendettas. Now that's what I'm talking about. Or dare I say you might not need tracks? Someone kick me.

When you look at this picture it is easy to see which tire is really an AATV tire.

And yet even I will admit, those deep lug tires do look cool, and with enough horespower and driveline, but that can be a slippery slope and you still really can't swim very well. remember that first "A" in AATV.

Keith.

A little side note for you if you think your little 26" ASX tires are king of the mud hole.

28"s baby with 1 1/2 deep lugs.

[Buzz]

After spending some time on some 25x12x9 at189's, I believe the Vendetta will be an absolutely excellent all-around tire. What I really like is the flat/wide paddle-tread and contact patch, fast water speed, and most importantly...."compatibility with tracks". I will also say that in regards to tracks, an even wider square-profile tire like the Vendetta would be excellent in every way.... in an elevated belt design like the escargo style crosser. It takes all the good attributes of that track design and gives them the opportunity to work even better. Of course everyone knows my opinion: An elevated belt track like the Escargo works everywhere everytime in all conditions. A more bouyant version improves upon the design even more. Thank you Matt O. for bringing these sweet tires to market!

[jpswift1]

Blah, blah, blah? How about you grow up first of all (I'll remind you to do this later in this post again just in case you forget). Nobody said your Vendetta tires are bad, there are just other tires that are better in the mud. The Vendettas are fast in the water and a good ride and are good for general use. I'm not badmouthing them, I'm just pointing out the fact that they aren't the best at everything. Next, we saw the video you posted, but there was also a group of us that was riding with you and we were standing around taking a break on the trail and watched you get stuck and sit there and slowly spin in the mud holes that the machines with the big ATV mud tires made it through with ease. If you like your tires and they work for what you do, great. They are one of the good all around tires out there (and there aren't many out there for our niche market unfortunately), but they aren't the best at everything, like I said......don't take it so personal.

Next let's go over some more incorrect information you stated. Where is a deep lug tire designed for a quad better? In deep sticky mud. At breaking parts? Nope, haven't done any of that on my Hustler yet. Ripping itself off the bead? Nope, haven't done that either. Large lug mud tires only work well while going fast through the mud? Nope, I'll putt along just as slow as you did, or even stop and I won't have issues following you. Chinese made deep lug tires? Nope, wrong again. My ASX tires were made in the USA (the current ones are made in China) and there are other brands made in the USA too, not all of them are made in China. You haven't seen a video of any other mud tires doing what your Vendettas do? OK, we can do that at Ashtabula in June. This site is here to present information that is factual and helpful to a community that is small and full of people with a common interest. Try being more professional and dropping the bias and say something like this: Vendettas are faster in the water than the deep lug mud tires out there, most deep lug mud tires are better in deep sticky mud, and some mud tires ride soft, others ride hard, the Vendettas ride very soft and are good for general all around use on an AATV. I don't have any issues pointing out the facts. Try to remember, there isn't anyone out there that is going to have the best of everything.

And addressing your side note of tires that are 2" taller than the "little" ASX tires, that's very grown up of you to point something like that out. Got to love someone that tries to start a pissing contest. I actually overheard elementary school age children behaving the same way.

[kghills]

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Blah, blah, blah? How about you grow up first of all (I'll remind you to do this later in this post again just in case you forget). Nobody said your Vendetta tires are bad, there are just other tires that are better in the mud. The Vendettas are fast in the water and a good ride and are good for general use. I'm not badmouthing them, I'm just pointing out the fact that they aren't the best at everything. Next, we saw the video you posted, but there was also a group of us that was riding with you and we were standing around taking a break on the trail and watched you get stuck and sit there and slowly spin in the mud holes that the machines with the big ATV mud tires made it through with ease. If you like your tires and they work for what you do, great. They are one of the good all around tires out there, but they aren't the best at everything, like I said......don't take it so personal.

Next let's go over some more incorrect information you stated. Where is a deep lug tire designed for a quad better? In deep sticky mud. At breaking parts? Nope, haven't done any of that on my Hustler yet. Ripping itself off the bead? Nope, haven't done that either. Large lug mud tires only work well while going fast through the mud? Nope, I'll putt along just as slow as you did, or even stop and I won't have issues following you. Chinese made deep lug tires? Nope, wrong again. My ASX tires were made in the USA (the current ones are made in China) and there are other brands made in the USA too, not all of them are made in China. You haven't seen a video of any other mud tires doing what your Vendettas do? OK, we can do that at Ashtabula in June.

And addressing your side note of tires that are 2" taller than the "little" ASX tires, that's very grown up of you to point something like that out. Got to love someone that tries to start a pissing contest. I actually overheard elementary school age children behaving the same way.

When you kids were standing around weren't you trying to get a tire rebeaded? I just was inching around in some slime waiting for you just like I waited while you had to be pulled out of a hole I drove through before that day and drove through along side you while you were stuck if I remember correctly. I don't remember ever needing to use my winch or need to hook up a strap to get out like you. Too bad the makers of the ASX don't think enough of our country to make there tires here anymore. As always I'll be looking foward to those videos. Listening in on elementary kids eah?

Keith who has bigger tires than you.

[jpswift1]

Hey Keith "who has the mentality of an elementary school student and disregard for factual information",

We'll make some videos in June so we can present everyone with the facts. Hope to see you there......and no driving like an elderly woman the entire ride either.

[fmints]

Hey Keith "who has the mentality of an elementary school student and disregard for factual information",

We'll make some videos in June so we can present everyone with the facts. Hope to see you there......and no driving like an elderly woman the entire ride either.

I personally can't wait to see the results of that one. I thought that was the reason for the last "Ash" ride??? Anyway,,, Jeff you are a nut with the post. Like always,,, safety first, but ride it hard and put it up wet!! I should try to make it there just to see the outcome this June, huh?. Drive it like you stole it, like you alway do!!!

p.s. A little manly competition is harmless, as long as there is professionalism there!! Safe riding guys!!

[fmints]

I personally can't wait to see the results of that one. I thought that was the reason for the last "ash" ride??? Anyway,,, jeff you are a nut with the post. Like always,,, safety first, but ride it hard and put it up wet!! I should try to make it there just to see the outcome this june, huh?. Drive it like you stole it, like you alway do!!!

P.s. A little manly competition is harmless, as long as there is professionalism there!! Safe riding guys!!

maybe i should have read the ""'whole""" thread before i posted,,, didn't know it was a war going on,,,, anyway,, wear some safety googles and no kicks to the growing!!!!

[riotwarrior]

Read thread now off to head cause too much $#!T near the end...I feel soiled.

Tyres look good, seem swim like crazy, not sure on mud, don't know the machines, just have mine and can't compare.

MORE OPTIONS is gooder!!! regardless of how good or strong the points of contention are more is gooder.

Lets say, have fun boys and learn to play well with others!

[kghills]

Great news for June at Ashtabula. I see from the Ashtabula racing thread Mudd-Ox racing will be in attendance. Matt usually brings a number of machines to this event. I believe all will be fitted with Vendettas, maybe even the racers. This is an awesome opportunity for those in attendance to see the Vendettas in action first hand. I am positive Matt would enjoy an opportunity to compare any of his machines with Vendettas to the performance of any of the big lug tires people are trying to use on other AATVs. Factory representation right on site. It should be very informative for those seeking facts I would think. Video crew and everything. I don't think I have really ever seen a Mudd-Ox with Vendettas stuck anywhere at Ashtabula personally but I am sure Matt will try just for the fun of it.

Over 5mph in a vehicle with no suspension. Are you crazy! oops, almost spit my teeth out there junior.

Keith.