Vendetta high performance AATV tires by Mudd-Ox

[JoeMeg]

Is it just me or does anyone else feel that there are going to be some "challenges" that are not limited to the TT track? This is GREAT. Some more Enduro type events,maybe a long mud bog I mean,after all,we are Americans and should be able to figure out how to race anythingwith or without a track!

[amphibious drew]

I feel like I am reading the track conversation all over again. People need to understand that no tire will be the absolute best at everything. It is all about a series of small compromises. From my experiences at many different group rides, I find the ASX's to be king tire for the sticky mud and provide a nice ride as well. They do swim pretty good on the 980 short tub, unfortunately not very well on a 980 tall tub, and I felt like I was stopped in my tracks driving a max Iv with them through the water. You almost had to rock the machine side to side to feel like you were making any progress through water in the IV. So, if you love the mud and have very little water swimming requirements(unless you have a 980 short tub), the ASX would work well in your application.

Now for the vendetta's. I have only seen the current size, not the wider or the smaller tire, so that is what I will refer too. The ride was very comfortable. They swim like fish as well, at least on the Ox and the Max IV. They do mud well, especially IF you give it enough rpm's to clean the tread out. The tread clogs up in the sticky stuff at low tire rpm, but when you goose the throttle it will sling them clean. They are about on par with my 26x12x12 terra tires in mud. All of this makes them a great all around tire especially if you bought an aatv for the amphibious part.

As for the new styles, the wider ones may out perform the ASX's in certain mud conditions, but probably not all(speculation). The added width may be a real benefit in providing increased traction and lower ground psi. The down side will be the width of the machine and possibility for needed to run spacers(extra cost). Like I said its all about a series of small compromises. The 21's are an interesting choice for production. Many people out there are dying to get a 24-25" tire that will fit under a stock Max II, and the 22" rawhide III's were much better in the mud than the 21" rawhide's which swam much better. So what's with the 21's? My guess is, they are probably needed for a factory track setup. By having your own molds, it will ensure that there is always a tire for the machines as long as ri/mo is around. It is also a popular size for many vintage machines to run. There is very limited options in tires for the smaller machines, and even less that swim. I am sure it will be a great addition to our marketplace.

So what's the best tire? It totally depends on what you want out of it. There is no tire that is king of every hill. Even tracks have their downsides. The truth is, as long as you got 6 tires pulling on your aatv, you should be able to go more places than anyone who only got atv.

[mightymaxIV]

Wow, come on guys, each tire has certain advantages in certain areas. It depends on where and how you ride. I am of the mind that that Vendetta will be good in very soft mud with water on top if you keep them spinning at high RPM to keep them cleaned out. As for very soft mud with out water or any other impassable terrain, I'll take my Adair tracks over everything thing else.

Please remember one thing folks, our machines have no suspension, ride quality is very, very important to some folks and that needs to play a part on your decision for tires.

Let's not fight over what is the best in certain situations, lets enjoy our machines and take pride in watching each machine excel in their given area. I thought my MaxIV was the mud King until I got smoked several times by Lee's Mudbug equipped Argo Frontier.

Let's be happy we have another choice in tires and enjoy watching the capabilities of every different AATV.

[mightymaxIV]

This was a very impressive video that once again showed advantages and disadvantages of several machines in different areas. I was surprised to see how each machine tire and track combination excelled in one area or another. Over all I saw that the Vendetta tire was well suited to some of the more extreme conditions of Haspin. This was a good testing ground and a good video to compare notes.

The Mudd Ox with Vendetta tires seemed to ride exceeding well and took the more extreme areas of up and down hill terrain with what seemed like comparative ease. As always the hydraulics seemed to play a major role in it's ability to traverse extreme terrain.

I think that this just another way of saying to all "let's enjoy our machine and enjoy the capabilities of each and every combination".

[mightymaxIV]

This was a very impressive video that once again showed advantages and disadvantages of several machines in different areas. I was surprised to see how each machine tire and track combination excelled in one area or another. Over all I saw that the Vendetta tire was well suited to some of the more extreme conditions of Haspin. This was a good testing ground and a good video to compare notes.

The Mudd Ox with Vendetta tires seemed to ride exceeding well and took the more extreme areas of up and down hill terrain with what seemed like comparative ease. As always the hydraulics seemed to play a major role in it's ability to traverse extreme terrain.

I think that this just another way of saying to all "let's enjoy our machine and enjoy the capabilities of each and every combination".

After watching this video carefully these are my thoughts on the mater of tires and machines. I have always liked the Argo Frontier because of the high and low range, the smooth bottom that does not hang up on limbs, roots and mud, the ground clearance which is better then any other 6x6. I also love the new admiral transmission which has certain short comings but over all is better under most trail conditions and being able to drop into low range has tremendous advantages.

Over all I think that a 6x6 Argo HD with a set of 16 inch Vendettas would be the machine to beat under most conditions. Some one will always beat you some where under some type of trail condition.
Most of the time it is just good aggressive driving and experience that makes the difference.

My thought on the Frontier with 16" tires. Eleven to twelve inches of ground clearance, less PSI, smooth bottom, low range, traction of the Admiral transmission with excellent trail performance. I have always said that ground clearance is king and other members have always said PSI, PSI, PSI!

So that's my vote for 6x6 machine and tire combination. Other machines may beat me out in some areas but that is okay, this sport is all about having fun and seeing which machine and tire combination wins in this area. The bottom line is it is all about fun and friendly competition.

As for me I have waited for a tire that swims well, rides well, and preforms well under most condions and the Vendetta seems to be what I have waited for.

[kghills]

That is a great video Dan and Haspin is an incredibly diverse and rugged off road park. I was glad to see Matt brought so many machines with Vendettas. I also agree with your assessment of tire size, ground clearance and and lower psi which results in sidewall flex and a flattening out of the tread. I am going to question your comment about aggressive driving and Drew's statement regarding the Vendetta seeming to clean out and work a little better. I am not calling these statements wrong but ask you to watch a short video that may make you rethink what you know about how a tire performs off road. I now owning a set of Vendettas and an old Hustler 980 with low gearing has made me reevaluate my understanding of off road tires especially for an amphib. You need to realize that most deep lug mud tires are designed to work with higher tire speeds. Yes a big lug can grab and pull at lower speeds too but most are really designed to spin and throw the mud from the lug thus allowing the tire to "dig". Now aggressive driving and tire speed with deep lug tires is where it's at and I included almost a textbook example of a truck with big lug tires in the video. You will notice the forward motion and tire speed and amount of mud thrown. This is why typically to make a big lug tire work you need lots of horsepower. It also shows how quickly the motion can go from forward to downward. There are also bar type tires like old WWII military tires, AquaTorque and Skid Steer tires. These tires are designed for slow speeds but offer little flotation and will typically dig down like a big lug truck/ATV tire when they can no longer pull the vehicle forward. In sticky mud the Vendetta is a different animal. It uses a proven tread pattern, flotation and an advanced sidewall design to allow the tire to hold mud, flatten out and use the mud as a traction aid. I know this sound weird but take a look at the video and try to watch the different tire speeds. This is why I feel the Vendettas are a better tire than a tire with a big lug. I actually feel it offers better performance in mud than a big lug tire. Also given the fact it swims, works well in sand, rides nice and can take tracks what more could you ask for? As a disclaimer I could not remember whose machines had what tires so I just called them all Rawhides the video is not intended to dismiss other tires or machines capabilities but meant to show the dramatic difference in how the Vendetta works compared to how even I thought an off road tire should.

Hopefully this will make my assessment of the tires clearer as I obviously was not explaining them well enough in my previous attempts driving some to post irrelevant comments that had nothing to do with the topic of this thread. Vendettas, made in the USA and moving our country and hobby forward.

Keith.

[hydromike]

At 1:20 in the video, is it my absolute imagination, or is that "low RPM Max IV on Vendettas" getting pulled out of that little mudhole? I distinctly see a winch line. The "caked up" Max II seems to be doing just fine until the camera pans away just after that....

[George]

At 1:20 in the video, is it my absolute imagination, or is that "low RPM Max IV on Vendettas" getting pulled out of that little mudhole? I distinctly see a winch line. The "caked up" Max II seems to be doing just fine until the camera pans away just after that....

How the F@#$%!! did that make it past the censors!!??

[kghills]

At 1:20 in the video, is it my absolute imagination, or is that "low RPM Max IV on Vendettas" getting pulled out of that little mudhole? I distinctly see a winch line. The "caked up" Max II seems to be doing just fine until the camera pans away just after that....

Sorry about that Mike, you are absolutely correct. That's what happens I guess when I try to steal clips from others videos. Thanks for taking the time to point that out and watch the video.

Keith.

[hydromike]

Sorry about that Mike, you are absolutely correct.

Don't thank me. I'm on propaganda watch, and this one's ripe.

[fmints]

HA HA HA HAH AH HAHHA HHA HHAH HA HA H AH HA!!! Laughing so hard right now!!

[2014SE]

I don't see anything different from the performance from the stock Argo AT189. Not saying the Argo tire is better just I don't think these Vendettas are anything special. The winch line proves that.

[Buzz]

I don't see anything different from the performance from the stock Argo AT189. Not saying the Argo tire is better just I don't think these Vendettas are anything special. The winch line proves that.

aaalright...come on now

the the tire goes up +1 inch in diameter AND +2 or +4 inches in width. This kind of improvement is right in line with jumping UP from an argo at189 24x10x8 to a 25x12x9. Jumping up again gets you to the Vendetta. Not to mention the improved tire manufacturer and quality (I can only presume anyway). I like the argo tires as I have some, but if the Vendetta's would fit on my particular machine (old mudd-ox tub) and still clear tracks....I'd prefer to have those.

No tire is going to hold a candle to tracks (I know- giant newsflash), so it makes sense...to me anyway...to embrace a tire that works so well and is also very well suited for track use.
Not jumping on anyone's bandwagon. I just see it as very practical solution and a great option to have for our machines. Aggressive mud tires are cool, but not so much when they're not compatible w/track crossers.

[Dozerlarry]

Don't thank me. I'm on propaganda watch, and this one's ripe.

Propaganda watch! Whew, your work never ends.

[tbone9]

How much do the Vendettas cost? I'm still torn between those and the Vampires. Cost may be the deciding factor. I don't mind paying more for anything that's made here if it's not too ridiculous.