Escargo and Adair Tracks comparison

[foxvalley]

[QUOTE=rockrewls;164658]

This forum shouldn't be as much about beating a brand drum as it should be about real life experiences good and bad in all conditions, environments and ride styles, only then can it truly be a well informed community.

Rock

I agree, you might as well be beating a dead horse if anyone thinks there is one brand better than another,it's just not true.
Every track out there has its good points and bad points,and instead of trying to push one brand or another,one that has track experience should inform the readers of this forum to the good and bad of their track,and let them make an informed judgement for themselves as to which track might work best for them.
Tracks are extemely expensive,and I feel real bad for anybody that buys a set of tracks based on hype rather than the track type(if any) that would work best for there application.
For example,I don't hear to much about argo rubber tracks, but,in an extremly rocky enviroment,I'm guessing they would blow any other track right out of the water,including both the sets of tracks that are talked about all the time here.They are just the best choice for this application.

[Buzz]

I'll admit I've called people out many times for beating to the drum of this website. I've apologized for making it personal. But the amount of claims that are made against escargo tracks....on this website....is outrageous. And it's all from people who #1 don't own escargo tracks and #2 aren't lucky enough to have had the opportunity to try them. #3 the bashing comes from customers who have bought tracks from Escargo's competitor...makes you wonder..between that and anonymous youtube comments, you really have to filter through the b.s. to get good information on tracks..which ones work best where, and if you even need them at all. Frequently there are videos of tracks where they're not even needed.

If you're happy with your tracks, I encourage you to express that. Just don't bash other track makers when you have never tried them. Don't believe everything you've been told. Some of us have tried lots of tracks and are willing to "help" others connect the dots to see if they need escargo tracks for their conditions. Damn, even a plastic track is over $4000 to your door + the cost of a u-channel ice cleat kit. You get my drift. It had better work and make your life easy.

If a different track had worked for me, I would no doubt be singing its praises instead. But Escargo is the one that does it for me. All I can say to those who have not had a chance to try the steel escargo track in it's current configuration......you don't know what you're missing. I don't make the track either. The guys in Timmins Ontario do. Call them up, they're not going to dirt-shoot adair tracks. They know that people make up their own mind. Even if it means spending money 2, 3, 4, or 5 times before they decide to buy the escargo tracks. But when you do, you'll be happy. My advice is don't believe everything you hear on this website from those who have never even tried the escargo track. It's the best. I'll say it everytime.

[rockrewls]

[QUOTE=Buzz;164655]

Dude. Buzz is the man. He can continuously contradict himself without ever being wrong. I hope I can reach that type of enlightenment some day.

Hey Mark, I really don't think this is the place for personal attacks, Buzz spends a lot of time testing various track styles including Adair from what i've read, and he try's to give information based on his experiences, environment, and ride style.
He has various friends who have run different track types and they pass their info along as well.
Personally I want as much unbiased info as I can get, it seems to me that your not one to be unbiased judging from your comment!!
This forum shouldn't be as much about beating a brand drum as it should be about real life experiences good and bad in all conditions, environments and ride styles, only then can it truly be a well informed community.

Rock

[Buzz]

[QUOTE=MAX IV Mark;164627]Dude. Buzz is the man. He can continuously contradict himself without ever being wrong. I hope I can reach that type of enlightenment some day.


I hope you have success convincing people

[thorn]

I'm back now, but work has started interfering with my desire to play. Also, a torn rotator cuff is not helping things, lol. Not sure when I will get out riding.

RD

Sorry to hear of the injury. Keep us posted when you get out.

[Rock Doctor]

I have been wondering what the weight of those were. Any tales from the North Woods with those tracks yet or are you still south RD?

I'm back now, but work has started interfering with my desire to play. Also, a torn rotator cuff is not helping things, lol. Not sure when I will get out riding.

RD

[amphibious drew]

Rough crowd tonight. This Springer is an ongoing project. Where it cannot go is still a question. It may be wide but I have 12" ground clarance under the tub. It is not a toy. The suspension system increases its mobility by following the terrain not fighting it. I may try the Adair Classics in the future as I have plenty of clearance.

Well Marc, you see your machine lacks low gear and is most likely useless without it. Additionally, without a triple limited slip differential, it is just old technology that hasn't been updated since the late 60's. Also, I don't know if we ever came to the conclusion that springers are worth it, but then you go and throw some recycled hdpe tracks on there. Everyone knows the cross binder material is way better here. And seriously doughnuts it the front yard is just not how these machines were designed to be driven. They need more challenging terrain than a rose garden. Oh wait. That is just envy being displayed. Obviously you built a great trail ready machine prior to the tracks. I rode next to you and it was awesome. Then you took it to the next level. Even I had doubts that a track would work on a springer, but you proved they would. And low gear, well it's just not needed on a t-20. They are much more efficient at putting the power at the wheels than any Argo design. Oh yeah, finally you choose a track with great consumer feedback from a company with an outstanding reputation. Some may not be impressed, but I feel like I just got to see a glimps of what the future in our hobby has to hold for us. If that doesn't make the side by side crowd drool, they don't have their eyes open.

[MAX IV Mark]

Wow Buzz, I think we should all leave the forum and let you answer all the questions because it seems that no matter what some else says or what their experience you aways seem to have a better answer.

Dude. Buzz is the man. He can continuously contradict himself without ever being wrong. I hope I can reach that type of enlightenment some day.

I respect your opinion.
Sometimes people tend to make excuses or blow smoke, which I've never felt is right.

Now that is funny

[jerseybigfoot]

Rough crowd tonight. This Springer is an ongoing project. Where it cannot go is still a question. It may be wide but I have 12" ground clarance under the tub. It is not a toy. The suspension system increases its mobility by following the terrain not fighting it. I may try the Adair Classics in the future as I have plenty of clearance.

[rockrewls]

Reference throwing a track:
As long as you keep the 24" tire aired up properly it would be very difficult to walk out of them although on occasion I did have some issues in very soft mud with roots and tree limbs. The main thing is to keep the tires properly inflated and you should never have an problem losing a track with the more squared off tires.
Having said that if you ever did walk out of a track it's not a big deal to put them back on as long as you have an air pump with you to deflate and inflate the tires.

This is exactly why I wouldn't own a ground level track now, because argo tires don't stay inflated all the time and roots, trees, very soft mud, and side hills can de-rail them, and when your loaded and its cold in the middle of the night and your coming in from a long distance trouble with tracks is the last thing you need, for me at least!!

Rock

[Old Tucker]

I just showed my grandson the vid and he wants me to do the same with the conquest. I must admit its pretty slick. And Marc has done a very nice job on her. You never know some day you may see argo coming out with a suspension. It just may be the thing that turns the rough ridding argo into something that is really enjoyable to ride.

[Mike]

Sorry but, just doing donuts in the front yard. does not empress me.

I think the point of the video was just to show that tracks will work on a machine with suspension. I'm sure Marc will be showing some more videos in some more extreme conditions soon.

[Old Tucker]

So should I keep the Adair Tracks or try something else.

If the tracks work in the conditions like what we see in your vid. Then why go to something else. The conditions Buzz and a lot of others on here play in are a little more extreme. Sorry but, just doing donuts in the front yard. does not empress me. I did that with my old plastic track.

But I must say, I sure do like the speed your little unit has It makes my conquest look like a turtle.

[Buzz]

[QUOTE=jerseybigfoot;164547]So should I keep the Adair Tracks or try something else

if they work where you ride I would say you're good to go.

[Buzz]

I respect your opinion.
It's not about knowing it all. It's about giving all the information after trying multiple tracks on multiple machines. Sometimes people tend to make excuses or blow smoke, which I've never felt is right.

These are simply track threads.