vampires, asx vampire combo

[smokin cigarettes]

Got to test the ASX tires today. We just had 12" of rain in the last 3 days. The tires do present a softer ride, and I settled for about 3 psi. Acceleration seems the same with the 18HP vanguard as with the stock tires. In the mud, these tires are incredible. In the water they leave alot to be desired. On single track that is flooded, I found it very hard to control while floating. I found myself drifting into trees and bushes. I never had that problem with the Goodyears. Testing in the pond with the tires in the forward position showed 1.3mph...Funny the Goodyears were 3.1mph.

I went home and flipped the tires to run backwards like we usually run. Not much better, but 1.7mph at 3,500rpm. Higher RPM's seem to throw water into the hull from the rear.

Still waiting on the wheel spacers. I will try some more testing with spacers. I am thinking that I will probably fit two Goodyears on the rear to try and gain control in the water.

Thanks for the feedback on them. I will be interested to hear how they do with the rawhide combo.

[mudbug3]

smokin cigarettes,




I,m pretty sure that fulleraviation was referring to the goodyear terra tires that he had on his Max IV before he switched to the interco ASX,s, and not the goodyear rawhides.

[Bw6]

GPS Reality

Fuller, thanks for testing and posting the results. I can appreciate it takes a lot of time. When we did the New Avenger Tires vs. Rawhide III's we did 7 complete 8x8 tire changes. But there is nothing like a GPS, it takes all the guesswork, speculation, and opinion out of it.

Looking forward to the spacer tests to see if it improves your performance.

[jpswift1]

Yesterday and today we had blowing and drifting snow and there was an inch or two of snow that stuck on the ground, so I didn't even take the BIGFOOT out today to get any film of the ASX's in action. I really hate being in Buffalo and I don't feel like going outside when it's 30 something degrees and windy. I'm sooooo happy that I'll be moving soon. Anyways, a couple local 6x6er's and I will be out riding as soon as the weather gets half way decent and I'll have video to share then. Until then, keep us updated on any news about the tires everyone.

[fulleraviation]

I had the opportunity to take the Max IV with the ASX tires to a Mud Bog today. I discovered a new issue.....Not enough engine to spin the tires. As long as the mud had water in it I was fine. If I ventured into the thicker stuff, my engine would bog down and I was stuck.

I will tell you this. These tires will pull. I never really lost traction, just a winded 18 HP Vanguard.

Boy, this is getting expensive. Now I will be looking at modifing the 18 some more to get some torque. I kind of wish I still had the stock clutch to see what effect that has on putting power to the ground. I love the high speed clutch though, and posted 28 mph on the way over to the bog.

[brushcutter]

yeah I was wondering how that high speed clutch thing was gonna work out for ya'? You will definitely be wanting to go to a red clutch spring. What spring did the stock clutch have in it?

[boncrshr]

Hey Fuller,

Thanks for all of the updates!! IMO, the spacers will probably help your water speed.

As far as the power issue...it should not be too expensive...Meinfeld always has good low buck suggestions...maybe he will chime in??

Also, going to a red clutch spring should definitely help....and if you have a 9.25" driven clutch, going to a larger one would increase low end without affecting top end.

[fulleraviation]

Hey Guy's,

I installed the red spring the same time I installed the high speed clutch.

The best thing that I have done is install the high speed clutch. I wouldn't trade it for anything. With stock tires there is no problem at all. I can pull all the way to 5,000 rpms. It would be neat to see if the stock clutch performed differently. I am not sure the low gearing is any different between the clutches. I can remember having this same bogging of the engine with stock tires/stock engine/stock clutch in deep thick mud. Although not as bad.

These new "Taller and Wider" Vampire ASX tires require more power.

The way it is right now is ok. I was able to climb over an 18 inch diameter fallen tree with the whole family on board, and wet mud is still no problem.

So, I do not feel the High Speed Clutch is a mistake at all. I will just mod the engine a bit and get some more torque. I like the 18 because it is light.

Today I did some more testing. This time the front 4 tires are in the forward rolling direction, and the rears are in the reverse. With two full size adults in the front and between 2 and 3 psi in the tires I showed 1.2 mph. This setup seems easier to control.

These tires provide a much better ride, and have more traction when touching ground than believable.

I truely enjoy these tires so far, even if they lack a little when floating.

Mounted directly to the axles without spacers does cause some rubbing. Not sure if this occurs when hitting a bump or during turns. It is very slight, so anyone wanting to mount these without spacers could.

I will be posting under the engine forum soon.

Thanks,
Rut

[Roger S]

Since you have the Powerbloc argo style clutch, you could do the adjustments Rock Doctor or I have done to increase the engine rpm that the cvt operates at.. it also let's the cvt gear down easier when it get loaded. He shims a spring, and I lighten weights. His method is easier to get the effect, although for me, running 6000 has shown the weakness of the powerbloc drive clutch. The hollow phenolic pucks that hold the weights are not very sturdy. My clutch puked a 1 lb weight at 6 grand, it was not a boring moment. The pucks are 5$ a piece, I'm going to carry and replace them yearly. Bottom line, get familiar with the clutch.. I also put a couple spoonfuls of graphite powder in the spring chamber to lube the shiv bushings.

Clutch tuning can only do so much for what I'd call a high geared situation.. the spacers should help. Might be getting wet over the sides then?

[hustler25]

tires

where did u get ur tires from and do they float and how much will they run 6 for

[fulleraviation]

where did u get ur tires from and do they float and how much will they run 6 for

I ordered them from 4 wheel parts, and they shipped direct from Interco. Make sure you are ordering the 26-13-12 and not the 26-12-12. The Interco part number is asx-04 and asx-04 I believe. There is a left part number and a right part number. They were about $600 with shipping.

[rdr]

well back from busco and i have determined this . you all can have all those 4 wheeler tires you want . i'll keep my goodyears . best all around tires . i followed a set of them vampires all weekend long . there is NO WHERE they can go that i can't .. proven fact . and they still do not swim . robbie

[jpswift1]

Did Dan have all 6 Vampire ASX tires on his machine? With all 6 ASX's on my Hustler, mine swim well and outmud the Goodyears on my Hustler. I would like to see how the hull design of the machine and different weight distributions affect the performance. I'll do actual head to head testing (also GPS water speed) since I have both ASX's and Goodyears, but I'm assuming that it won't be until later this month since there's supposed to be 6 inches of snow tonight......I'm so sick of Buffalo.

[Amphiman1]

tires etc

Did Dan have all 6 Vampire ASX tires on his machine? With all 6 ASX's on my Hustler, mine swim well and outmud the Goodyears on my Hustler. I would like to see how the hull design of the machine and different weight distributions affect the performance. I'll do actual head to head testing (also GPS water speed) since I have both ASX's and Goodyears, but I'm assuming that it won't be until later this month since there's supposed to be 6 inches of snow tonight......I'm so sick of Buffalo.

OH GOODIE!!! I get to try out my Amphi-tracks tomarro!!! With of course, my Balloon tires........

[jpswift1]

OH GOODIE!!! I get to try out my Amphi-tracks tomarro!!!

I think you're right Steve......snap some pics of it for sure. When that snow melts I'll bring down a couple sets of tires and a GPS, and we'll do some testing how they all do on the Hustler 980 in all that mud.