vampires, asx vampire combo

[rdr]

if i can't go with my goodyears . i'll go to duel wheels or tracks . robbie

[Amphiman1]

vampires

RDR (ROBBIE) JPSWIFT AND DAN'S VIDEOS SHOWS ASX TIRES SWIMMING. FULLERAVIATION AND AMPHIMAN SAID THEY SWIM, I DO NOT KNOW HOW YOU CAN SAY THAT THEY DO NOT THE VIDEOS PROVE YOU WRONG, THEY MAY NOT BE AS FAST AS SUPER TERRA IN WATER BUT IN THE MUD YOU WILL NOT KEEP UP WATER SPEED IS NOT BAD AT ALL, SURE BETTER THAN RAWHIDES. SEE YOU AT BUSCO IN THE FALL, I HAVE 8-ASX ON MY MACHINE SEE IF YOU CAN KEEP UP I COULD DRIVE SLOW OR DRAG A TOW ROPE OR BOTH

You have to remember, jp was fighting the current too...did u see the rooster tails of water too? Of course not. these are really exceptional tires. They throw the water out, not up.

[fulleraviation]

Let's be nice guy's..

I will do my best to report the facts w/o bias.

Each tire has it's abilities and disabilities. I have over 250 hours within one year on the Goodyear Super Terra Grip tires, and now have the ASX tires. With my style of riding and the terrain I come into contact with, I will be happy with the ASX tires. I am also still researching the water speed and control issues.

I do not think that you could or should consider MightymaxIV (Dan) in your opinions. Only 1/3 of his tires are ASX.

Yes, I could easily reach 3.1mph with the Goodyears and only 1.7mph so far with the ASX. The Goodyears sucked at climbing out of the water onto a bank when compared to the ASX. Muding ability the ASX kicks the Goodyears like the Goodyears kick the ASX in the water. They both do the job in mud and water, but each have there place. I see alot more mud and trail riding than swimming.

I am alittle disappointed with the water speed thus far, but they do swim!

Happy to report any further information I can so that everyone can make there own choice and be educated if contemplating a purchase.

I have $1,000 invested in this testing, and many many others on this site have taken risks and posted about their experiences to HELP others make smart choices.

Later Yall'

Rut

[Bw6]

Well Said

Rut, Right on! Your comments are right on the mark. Testing should be done without bias, and always supported by GPS. This allows our members to make an informed choice. Without it we end up with a pile of tires that don't do the job.

[fulleraviation]

Got Spacers!

Installed the 1 1/2" spacers today. I also installed the tires the way Dan recommended like this ><> That means the front and rear set rotate in forward direction and middle in reverse. Put the machine in Lake Talquin and got 1.7 mph at 3,500rpm. I can only pull 3,500rpm with the 18HP Vanguard. At about 2,600rpm you are runnng about 1.5mph. This setting gives much less splashing than 3,500rpm.

With spacers and ASX super wide tires this thing is rock solid in the water. The Goodyear Super terra grips w/o spacers feels much less stable.

I had good control with the tires mounted in the above mentioned setup. I am happy with this, but going to have two Goodyears mounted and try them on the back.

Bought some coveour belt material from Tractor Supply to make mudflaps.

Rut

[jpswift1]

WOW, that thing looks MEAN!!!

[Amphiman1]

flaps

Installed the 1 1/2" spacers today. I also installed the tires the way Dan recommended like this ><> That means the front and rear set rotate in forward direction and middle in reverse. Put the machine in Lake Talquin and got 1.7 mph at 3,500rpm. I can only pull 3,500rpm with the 18HP Vanguard. At about 2,600rpm you are runnng about 1.5mph. This setting gives much less splashing than 3,500rpm.

With spacers and ASX super wide tires this thing is rock solid in the water. The Goodyear Super terra grips w/o spacers feels much less stable.

I had good control with the tires mounted in the above mentioned setup. I am happy with this, but going to have two Goodyears mounted and try them on the back.

Bought some coveour belt material from Tractor Supply to make mudflaps.

Rut

Gee, where did i hear the conveyor belt idea on here before?

[Bw6]

Dimensions Please

Rut, would you mind checking a few measurements for me? What is the normal axle extension out to the flange? Also with the spacers on what is the width outside of ASX tires. Last question: Did you notice any extra load on your drive system when skid turning with all ASX tires on?

Thanks

Ray

[mightymaxIV]

Measurements

Rut, would you mind checking a few measurements for me? What is the normal axle extension out to the flange? Also with the spacers on what is the width outside of ASX tires. Last question: Did you notice any extra load on your drive system when skid turning with all ASX tires on?

Thanks

Ray

MaxIV with Goodyears is 57" wide. With 1 1/2 inch extentions and ASX Tires the Max sits 62 inches wide. With Vampires 60 inches wide. The Axles extensions give the machine a leverage advantage and seem to make my machine easier to turn. 26" goodyears are a very hard tire to skid steer and they are very resistant to turning. An ASX skids with about the same effort as Goodyears. An ASX tire sits 13 1/2" wide with 3 psi and sits 25 25 1/2 inches tall. At two psi they go down to 25" height.

Here are my thoughts on the matter. A 1.7 mph water speed is very reasonable for what I do. The extra width is a pain in the forrest and swamp but a real blessing in mud holes. Almost everywhere I take the max there are a lot of high lifted expensive quads watching everything I do. There is nothing more embrassing than walking through a mud hole and then not being able to pull out with about twenty high lifted quads watching you. Asx tires stay on top of mud without water where Goodyears turn into slicks and provide no traction. Nothing beats Goodyears in soupy watery mud but I am looking for the best all around performance and I think the ASX is that tire. Can't wait to see an 8x8 with the ASX tire. Can we say Awsome!

[Bw6]

Great Info

Dan, thanks for answering my questions. I think you're right about the width giving you extra leverage when turning. 62" is a bit wide, may be narrower on some body (tub) styles. 60" max. would be nice. 1.7 mph water speed is decent, I also could live with that.

Your also right about trying to get out of a mud hole that you have successfully navigated, only to be defeated at the end, especially with all those quads watching you. A good tire needs to do both.

I plan on building a new machine shortly and have narrowed the tire selection to ASX and the New Avenger Tire.

Thanks again.

[fulleraviation]

Thanks Dan for answering.

Bw6. I do think it steers easier, and the ride is great compared to the Goodyears.

My 18HP Vanguard can tell a real difference. These tires will suck some power. Dan with his large engine probably can't tell the difference. Maybe he can chime in on this.

I know that with the Goodyears I could pull 4,800 rpm. Actually had it set to run there and could pull over 5,000 rpm.

With the ASX tires at 2.5psi, I can only pull 4,300rpm on flat ground. RPM are reduced with elevation changes.

Now, I do have the high speed clutch, but would still recommend an engine over 20HP. I am in the process of upping the horsepower as we speak, and ride mostly on flat ground. Hills are no problem, but not at 20+MPH.

[Meinfield]

ASX

Hey Guys,
After looking at them in the garage for two months and reading about all the fun you all are having, I finally mounted up my asx's 26-13-12 and K-locs on the 980 this weekend, and took it out to my favorite river bottom for a test ride. These things are huge! They absolutely dwarf the 25" rawhide III's I was running. They are heavy too. I did not weigh them, but the wheel and tire set up is at least 10 - 15 lbs heavier, adding 90 lbs or more to the machine. That is a lot of extra mass to be spinning, so I can understand the need for lower gearing and more power. Also, I expect that they will be much harder on the drive line that the rawhides.
I love the way these tires pull in the mud. I went places I would not go with the rawhides. I tried to get the machine stuck, and just couldn't do it. I would idle through deep mud thinking they would dig in and stop pulling, but it never happened. I nosed the machine down a steep muddy creek thinking I would have to get the winch out, but it pulled right up the other side. As far as mudding and pulling though partially flooded swamps, the asx's are awesome.
Water speed was another matter. When I built my machine, I used a NOS body and I lowered the frame in the tub to try and get higher ground clearance, probably a mistake. The 980 swam only marginally well, not as good as the rawdies, but I think it is a function of them being so low in the water, and not the tread design. I did notice that the machine swam better in reverse, so I will play around with the tread direction to see it improves any. Are any of you guys running all the treads backwards?
Ride quality was good, but not as good as the rawhides on the 9" rims.
They fit the 980 tub with out any problems, however, I am running them at 2 psi, and at 5psi the center and the back tires would rub slightly.
I think I will keep the rawhides for a soft trail ride, and switch over to the asx's when the mud gets deep!

[jpswift1]

Hey Guys,
After looking at them in the garage for two months and reading about all the fun you all are having, I finally mounted up my asx's 26-13-12 and K-locs on the 980 this weekend, and took it out to my favorite river bottom for a test ride. These things are huge! They absolutely dwarf the 25" rawhide III's I was running. They are heavy too. I did not weigh them, but the wheel and tire set up is at least 10 - 15 lbs heavier, adding 90 lbs or more to the machine. That is a lot of extra mass to be spinning, so I can understand the need for lower gearing and more power. Also, I expect that they will be much harder on the drive line that the rawhides.
I love the way these tires pull in the mud. I went places I would not go with the rawhides. I tried to get the machine stuck, and just couldn't do it. I would idle through deep mud thinking they would dig in and stop pulling, but it never happened. I nosed the machine down a steep muddy creek thinking I would have to get the winch out, but it pulled right up the other side. As far as mudding and pulling though partially flooded swamps, the asx's are awesome.
Water speed was another matter. When I built my machine, I used a NOS body and I lowered the frame in the tub to try and get higher ground clearance, probably a mistake. The 980 swam only marginally well, not as good as the rawdies, but I think it is a function of them being so low in the water, and not the tread design. I did notice that the machine swam better in reverse, so I will play around with the tread direction to see it improves any. Are any of you guys running all the treads backwards?
Ride quality was good, but not as good as the rawhides on the 9" rims.
They fit the 980 tub with out any problems, however, I am running them at 2 psi, and at 5psi the center and the back tires would rub slightly.
I think I will keep the rawhides for a soft trail ride, and switch over to the asx's when the mud gets deep!

Chris, you have one of the coolest Hustler 980 BIGFOOTs out there! Those tires and wheels look amazing on your machine! Thanks for the updates on the performance. I remember not too long ago when I first took them out, I was shocked at how these tires outperformed every other tire I have ever had. It feels like you're running tracks with ice cleats on them because these tires grab and pull you up or through just about anything that is in your way.

[mudbug3]

( QUOTE )" Installed the 1 1/2" spacers today. I also installed the tires the way Dan recommended like this ><> That means the front and rear set rotate in forward direction and middle in reverse. "





Meinfield ,

That was MightymaxIV,s recommendation , and this seems to work the best for water speed when running the ASX tires.

[mightymaxIV]

ASX on the Hustler

Hey Guys,
After looking at them in the garage for two months and reading about all the fun you all are having, I finally mounted up my asx's 26-13-12 and K-locs on the 980 this weekend, and took it out to my favorite river bottom for a test ride. These things are huge! They absolutely dwarf the 25" rawhide III's I was running. They are heavy too. I did not weigh them, but the wheel and tire set up is at least 10 - 15 lbs heavier, adding 90 lbs or more to the machine. That is a lot of extra mass to be spinning, so I can understand the need for lower gearing and more power. Also, I expect that they will be much harder on the drive line that the rawhides.
I love the way these tires pull in the mud. I went places I would not go with the rawhides. I tried to get the machine stuck, and just couldn't do it. I would idle through deep mud thinking they would dig in and stop pulling, but it never happened. I nosed the machine down a steep muddy creek thinking I would have to get the winch out, but it pulled right up the other side. As far as mudding and pulling though partially flooded swamps, the asx's are awesome.
Water speed was another matter. When I built my machine, I used a NOS body and I lowered the frame in the tub to try and get higher ground clearance, probably a mistake. The 980 swam only marginally well, not as good as the rawdies, but I think it is a function of them being so low in the water, and not the tread design. I did notice that the machine swam better in reverse, so I will play around with the tread direction to see it improves any. Are any of you guys running all the treads backwards?
Ride quality was good, but not as good as the rawhides on the 9" rims.
They fit the 980 tub with out any problems, however, I am running them at 2 psi, and at 5psi the center and the back tires would rub slightly.
I think I will keep the rawhides for a soft trail ride, and switch over to the asx's when the mud gets deep!

MEINFEILD happy to see your on board with the new tire. Man those tires are close together at the middle and back wheels. try running the tires at 2 pounds psi and reverse the middle tires, this should help your water speed, give you better control and soften your ride. You can take the psi down to down to 2 for a better ride and the tires will sit 25 inches tall.Check out these spacers on ebay, they should take care of your clearance problem, 5 bolt pattern, 4 1/2 inch circle 5/16 inches thick. You can buy them at a Pep boys auto store for about $8.00 a set. The ASX tire on a Max K rim weights in at 48 pounds a piece-HEAVY, but oh so cool!

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